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		<title>By: Roy (linuxcanuck) 's status on Wednesday, 11-Nov-09 18:03:55 UTC - Identi.ca</title>
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		<dc:creator>Roy (linuxcanuck) 's status on Wednesday, 11-Nov-09 18:03:55 UTC - Identi.ca</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 18:03:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] #Microsoft Experimenting With the #OpenSource Model? http://www.itnewstoday.com/?p=1134    a few seconds ago  from [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] #Microsoft Experimenting With the #OpenSource Model? <a href="http://www.itnewstoday.com/?p=1134" rel="nofollow">http://www.itnewstoday.com/?p=1134</a>    a few seconds ago  from [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Has Microsoft Suddenly Awakened to Open Source? &#124; google android os blog</title>
		<link>http://www.itnewstoday.com/?p=1134&#038;cpage=1#comment-916</link>
		<dc:creator>Has Microsoft Suddenly Awakened to Open Source? &#124; google android os blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 18:22:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] open source finally making sense to Microsoft? Jeremy LaCroix sees a number of reasons to believe so. He notes that within only six months, the company has contributed 20,000 lines of code to the [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] open source finally making sense to Microsoft? Jeremy LaCroix sees a number of reasons to believe so. He notes that within only six months, the company has contributed 20,000 lines of code to the [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Jeremy</title>
		<link>http://www.itnewstoday.com/?p=1134&#038;cpage=1#comment-915</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeremy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 17:51:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree about the drivers, when I took a look at Windows 7 Ultimate briefly I didn&#039;t have to worry about drivers at all. Then again, I didn&#039;t have to worry about drivers on any of my Linux systems other than Nvidia and the occasional wireless driver either, so I believe the driver situation is getting better for both. Historically, I&#039;ve had to download 20 Windows drivers for every 1 Linux driver, so I can understand the perception.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree about the drivers, when I took a look at Windows 7 Ultimate briefly I didn&#8217;t have to worry about drivers at all. Then again, I didn&#8217;t have to worry about drivers on any of my Linux systems other than Nvidia and the occasional wireless driver either, so I believe the driver situation is getting better for both. Historically, I&#8217;ve had to download 20 Windows drivers for every 1 Linux driver, so I can understand the perception.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt</title>
		<link>http://www.itnewstoday.com/?p=1134&#038;cpage=1#comment-914</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 17:36:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Right, I had more problems finding drivers for Linux than Windows any day. Granted that was back in the day and Ubuntu is pretty good at drivers being included. I did actually fresh install Windows 7 with the latest i7 hardware and video card and all. I didn&#039;t HAVE to install any additional drivers, but I did go to the NVIDIA website to quickly (read: no searching required) get the drivers for my video card since I use the NVIDIA control panel.

Also, take into account the fact that more computers will come with Windows 7 pre-installed over Linux and you find that VERY few people actually need to search for drivers.

I think you guys should spend less time complaining/bashing/etc on Windows and Microsoft and spend more time doing something useful for the Linux community.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Right, I had more problems finding drivers for Linux than Windows any day. Granted that was back in the day and Ubuntu is pretty good at drivers being included. I did actually fresh install Windows 7 with the latest i7 hardware and video card and all. I didn&#8217;t HAVE to install any additional drivers, but I did go to the NVIDIA website to quickly (read: no searching required) get the drivers for my video card since I use the NVIDIA control panel.</p>
<p>Also, take into account the fact that more computers will come with Windows 7 pre-installed over Linux and you find that VERY few people actually need to search for drivers.</p>
<p>I think you guys should spend less time complaining/bashing/etc on Windows and Microsoft and spend more time doing something useful for the Linux community.</p>
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		<title>By: Vista 7 Giveaways Are Not Windows Sales &#124; Boycott Novell</title>
		<link>http://www.itnewstoday.com/?p=1134&#038;cpage=1#comment-913</link>
		<dc:creator>Vista 7 Giveaways Are Not Windows Sales &#124; Boycott Novell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 14:17:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] tricks with numbers based on his own experience and now we find another person who tells a similar story:  Windows 7 itself even strengthens my opinion. Sure, it retails for up to $320, but Microsoft is [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] tricks with numbers based on his own experience and now we find another person who tells a similar story:  Windows 7 itself even strengthens my opinion. Sure, it retails for up to $320, but Microsoft is [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Jeremy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeremy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 12:11:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m well aware of that fact, there&#039;s no more homework I need to do on that. My point is that they broke it on purpose knowing it wouldn&#039;t be accepted.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m well aware of that fact, there&#8217;s no more homework I need to do on that. My point is that they broke it on purpose knowing it wouldn&#8217;t be accepted.</p>
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		<title>By: Computer Internet and Technology Articles. &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Is Microsoft Experimenting With the Open Source Model?</title>
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		<dc:creator>Computer Internet and Technology Articles. &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Is Microsoft Experimenting With the Open Source Model?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 06:29:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Jose_X</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jose_X</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 04:27:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Embracing Linux is how they have a chance to hold it back. How do you fight a strong &quot;virus&quot; or species? You add to the population more virus but with DNA that you can manage. They leverage their levers so that the friendly virus out-reproduces the other ones. Mono is a work in progress, for example. Novell has been given a lot of money and sales to grow MS protocols/API and displace other Linux where Linux will be adopted over Windows. Numerous vendors have signed patent deals.

Look at the trouble they have been going through to get OOXML standardized and adopted. Look at how much negative PR they have endured for that cause. They need their standards to displace the investments of others. Huge loss for others. Meanwhile, Microsoft comes in to save the customers&#039; day with the only implementation with interoperable components. By definition (ie, because they are closed source, because in practice all open standards allow for extensions, and because interop-breaking &quot;bugs&quot; are unavoidable), undocumented and broken API secrets and special privileges to MS apps will aways exist for any &quot;open&quot; standard running on an MS platform.

Microsoft will suffer a real setback if SCOTUS does not hand them the software patent monopolies. OTOH, there is __much__ to be gained over &quot;freebie&quot; FOSS if they get to keep their patents. FOSS won&#039;t be freebie any longer. They will have a powerful weapon over FOSS besides the lead and control of the standard + their monopolies.

If you can&#039;t keep customers away from FOSS, they can certainly embrace FOSS (over platforms they control). On Windows, they have the upper hand over all software that runs on top. All the easier to manage winFOSS because FOSS is open. They take ideas and make sure those apps that don&#039;t pay Microsoft for information eventually get the shoddy treatment (API). Of course, all third parties (even from &quot;partners&quot;) run an uphill battle against Microsoft apps on Windows. As a bonus, FOSS devs working on winFOSS use up their time contributing to make Windows interesting and sufficient to customers rather than spend that time improving open platform competitors like Linux.

No one should be surprised Microsoft wanted their customers&#039; &quot;mixed environments&quot; to have Windows virtualizing Linux instead of the other way around. This combination only happens when Linux has driver code to make it possible to run on top of Windows (as an &quot;app&quot; controllable by Windows).

Microsoft continues to leverage their position in the market to elbow Linux out as much as possible (through implied business-ruining threats to Microsoft hw and sw partners). They dump their platform software as much as is necessary.

The comments ahead of this one covered much ground, including the pdf link.

The rule of thumb with Microsoft, and for good reasons (based on their market position and past and present deeds) is to refuse doing business with them on account of their untrustworthiness. Get in bed with a viper and you take real chances. FOSS devs focusing on open platforms like Linux is sufficient. We don&#039;t need to get distracted with a viper.

... Alright. I got that off my shoulder before going to bed.

:-)  zzzzzzz</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Embracing Linux is how they have a chance to hold it back. How do you fight a strong &#8220;virus&#8221; or species? You add to the population more virus but with DNA that you can manage. They leverage their levers so that the friendly virus out-reproduces the other ones. Mono is a work in progress, for example. Novell has been given a lot of money and sales to grow MS protocols/API and displace other Linux where Linux will be adopted over Windows. Numerous vendors have signed patent deals.</p>
<p>Look at the trouble they have been going through to get OOXML standardized and adopted. Look at how much negative PR they have endured for that cause. They need their standards to displace the investments of others. Huge loss for others. Meanwhile, Microsoft comes in to save the customers&#8217; day with the only implementation with interoperable components. By definition (ie, because they are closed source, because in practice all open standards allow for extensions, and because interop-breaking &#8220;bugs&#8221; are unavoidable), undocumented and broken API secrets and special privileges to MS apps will aways exist for any &#8220;open&#8221; standard running on an MS platform.</p>
<p>Microsoft will suffer a real setback if SCOTUS does not hand them the software patent monopolies. OTOH, there is __much__ to be gained over &#8220;freebie&#8221; FOSS if they get to keep their patents. FOSS won&#8217;t be freebie any longer. They will have a powerful weapon over FOSS besides the lead and control of the standard + their monopolies.</p>
<p>If you can&#8217;t keep customers away from FOSS, they can certainly embrace FOSS (over platforms they control). On Windows, they have the upper hand over all software that runs on top. All the easier to manage winFOSS because FOSS is open. They take ideas and make sure those apps that don&#8217;t pay Microsoft for information eventually get the shoddy treatment (API). Of course, all third parties (even from &#8220;partners&#8221;) run an uphill battle against Microsoft apps on Windows. As a bonus, FOSS devs working on winFOSS use up their time contributing to make Windows interesting and sufficient to customers rather than spend that time improving open platform competitors like Linux.</p>
<p>No one should be surprised Microsoft wanted their customers&#8217; &#8220;mixed environments&#8221; to have Windows virtualizing Linux instead of the other way around. This combination only happens when Linux has driver code to make it possible to run on top of Windows (as an &#8220;app&#8221; controllable by Windows).</p>
<p>Microsoft continues to leverage their position in the market to elbow Linux out as much as possible (through implied business-ruining threats to Microsoft hw and sw partners). They dump their platform software as much as is necessary.</p>
<p>The comments ahead of this one covered much ground, including the pdf link.</p>
<p>The rule of thumb with Microsoft, and for good reasons (based on their market position and past and present deeds) is to refuse doing business with them on account of their untrustworthiness. Get in bed with a viper and you take real chances. FOSS devs focusing on open platforms like Linux is sufficient. We don&#8217;t need to get distracted with a viper.</p>
<p>&#8230; Alright. I got that off my shoulder before going to bed.</p>
<p> <img src='http://www.itnewstoday.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' />   zzzzzzz</p>
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		<title>By: oiaohm</title>
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		<dc:creator>oiaohm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 04:19:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>LOL.  Please do you home work.  MS had broken Linux Kernel GPL license.  It was either pony up the code or get sued.

Then MS tried to dump support on the open source world.  They have had to provide two coders to take care of those 20000 lines of code in the Linux kernel.

Yes Open Source is not dump code and leave it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LOL.  Please do you home work.  MS had broken Linux Kernel GPL license.  It was either pony up the code or get sued.</p>
<p>Then MS tried to dump support on the open source world.  They have had to provide two coders to take care of those 20000 lines of code in the Linux kernel.</p>
<p>Yes Open Source is not dump code and leave it.</p>
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